The
With logo, an abstract, mid-century modern inspired set of shapes, on a
vibrant red background.

With Labs

With was founded in 2020 by Chris Bourdon and me to help people connect, play and learn, from across the world. I became the CEO in 2022, and lead the company to its exit in 2023.

With, a virtual office.

When I left Western Digital in 2019, (after the acquisition of Upthere), I suddenly missed the buzzing of a room full of designers. I recall searching around for virtual coffee shops but couldn’t find any.

I started prototyping a solution on a 2D canvas, and it got enough buzz that Chris Bourdon and I decided to start a company and raised money.

We were quickly funded by Urban Innovation Funds, Fusion Fund, and Betaworks Ventures. We launched in 2021.

You can visit an archive of the landing page, or see a lot more about the visual design on Farrah Yoo’s website.

Self-hostable virtual spaces

Some learning from With: the word of 2020 was Serendipity. The idea that things must happen organically in the hallways of an office for communication to be successful. In this framework, a virtual office seemed like a viable solution.

But after a team who was using With every day dropped instantly, I reached out and realized their manager had just quit, and nobody felt the need to come in the room after that. That was the turning point for me.

Those virtual spaces can only work if they are a conscious choice, not a management tool. This is why self-hosting made more sense. Where PopSpace rooms shines are for micro communities of people who want a fun room to play D&D in, a virtual book club, or anything where Zoom is a mood killer.

Bring your online workshops to life

During the whole With experience, there was a group of users that I found fascinating, course creators.

Before the pandemic, their differentiators were: the material, of course, the host, the venue, the catering, the whole experience, but in the Zoom era, the differentiators were blurrier.

Course creators wanted to create a rich virtual experience, mimicking the analog experience:

Another goal that emerged was analytics. Giving course creators the ability to understand which activity works and which doesn’t. Iterating on teaching material is easier when you can interrogate the data.

Merging with Mystery

At the end of 2022, we got an offer from Mystery, an employee engagement company, to join their team and keep developing PopStage, with an eye towards internal meetups. Their platform was focused on fostering strategic relationships inside companies, identified using machine learning.

For example, a feature called Meetups would automatically create events for matched pairs of employees, with a theme that is shared between the two participants. The meetups would be chosen to strengthen bonds between certain teams, between employees and the exec team, etc.

A screenshot of the Glue web application, showing the interface to enable the Meetups feature.

PopStage was perfect to accommodate the needs of team bonding experiences like making cocktails or learning lettering. PopStage was also great at integrating interactive experiences like a quiz during meetups, and other unmoderated games.

The With team joined Mystery at the beginning of 2023.

A banner with the With logo on a red pattern of geometric shapes.
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